Game Theory: Dear Nintendo, I FIXED Your Timeline! (Zelda)

You know, the Zelda timeline is one of the longest-running topics I’ve covered on this channel and after all of that time, there’s still one game that I’ve yet to fit into this thing. It’s the small little independent spin-off called the Epic of Stew. The under appreciated adventure of yet another green clad hero of legend out to save a princess. True to its name this game Looks pretty epic. Stew could battle his way through a whopping FIVE intense levels of copyright neutral octoroks and tektites until finally reaching the princess, and then he had to complete a dating simulation at the end to woo her. I mean she can’t just go along with any errant Knight who comes her way after all (I know that would be weird). You know the two people who created this game They’re probably out to do some pretty great things together. And hey, if nothing else at least it was better than the CDI games dum dun dun bum bum bum buh dun dun dun budeem bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum wrrrruuuum dun dun dun dun dun BUdubumbudUMbudumbadum durr dun dun durr burrrr budurr dunn drr da durr da dubudubaduba duh baduh baduh baduh duhh dun duh duh dunn duh drr drr durr dun dun drr dun drr drr dundun drr dun drr duh buh bam boom pow bam yos Just a quick note on that opening gag By the way Epic of Stew was a game created by Stephanie and I it was actually our first ever group project together and we’ve been working on group projects together ever since. (random crowd says aww) Anyway, hello Internet Welcome to game theory, the show that has no problem going back and rethinking the Zelda timeline. Just like Nintendo Apparently in case you haven’t heard the timeline it changed yet again. According to the Hyrule historia Which was the definitive source for all things Zelda lore for a while, Link’s Awakening used to come after Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons, but in the most recent Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia released just last year as the third and final installment in what’s known as the goddess trilogy of canonical Zelda lore books Link’s Awakening now comes before Oracle of Ages and seasons blasphemy Over-exaggerated outrage hashtag cancel Zelda, seriously, though. It’s not changed certainly, but nothing too important, right? I mean, it’s not like they invalidated the concept of a definitive timeline existing at all, right? Oh wait Yeah That’s exactly what they did on the bottom of the page right there for all of us to see quote Attentive readers may note that the timeline shown here differs slightly from the one found in Hyrule historia The timeline can be interpreted a number of ways and may change depending on new discoveries that may come to light and on the players imagination in quotes Oh, you see it’s basically telling us that Nintendo’s what an intend wants at any moment Nintendo could just hit shuffle on the Zelda franchise and just announce a new version of the timeline just because they made some new Discoveries what’s even mean? You guys know all this stuff you program these games or what? Are you waiting on us to discover the deep lore myths here? Because let me tell all you guys at Nintendo get ready to Re-release this thing because I’ve made some new discoveries and I’ve let my imagination run wild And their combined forces are about to drop a bombshell on your timeline You’re ready for a Nintendo get this Hyrule warriors a game that you have gone on record Time and time again to say that isn’t canon should in fact be considered canon and may in fact be the single most Important missing piece in your entire timeline. It is the game that quite frankly solves everything corrects every problem and challenge that this thing has so as you guys start and revving up the hype train for breath of the wild tunes the Breath just got Wilder and as the Internet continues to salivate over rehydrated ganon consider this theory a pitch a solution to the problem you created for yourself when it comes to this timeline a way for me to Contribute to a game series that I have loved for my entire life. Shall we begin? here’s a little bit of context for those of you who don’t know what the problem is in addition to changing up the order of A few games and adding the addendum imagine something and if it’s good enough We’ll make a can and if there was one other big announcement Nintendo made about the Zelda timeline They named the placement of breath of the wild. It’s Drumroll, please At the end surprising Literally no one they chose to place it down here ich vaguely somewhere at the bottom Disconnected from literally everything else but sitting right down here as they said in an interview Translated by Silicon era. Well, of course, it’s at the very end, but I get what you’re asking It’s which timeline is at the end of that’s up to the players imagination Isn’t it high rules history changes over time when we think of the next game of what we want to do with it? We might think oh, this will fit well and place it neatly into the timeline But sometimes we think oh crap and have to change the placement. Actually the decided history has been tweaked many times So really they gave us a grand total of zero Answers that we were actually looking for but you know what? Like I said earlier, I’m gonna give you guys a reason to tweak it again Remember that at the end of ocarina of time? Hyrule story actually splits in three directions depending on if link wins or loses against Ganon in the quest The first time line is where link dies leading to Ganon’s take over an ultimate downfall of Hyrule This is the path of some of the darkest early games in the franchise Like the original Legend of Zelda and Link to the Past on the happier side of the timeline spectrum There are two separate timelines created if link wins against Ganon the first one follows link as he returns to his original timeline the child timeline leading to Majora’s Mask and Twilight Princess And the last one is made of the adult world that he leaves behind Now without their hero opening the door to the likes of Wind Waker and Spirit Tracks now as I covered in my last breath of the wild timeline episode the biggest challenge with placing this one game in any Individual segment of that timeline is that it makes reference to everything up here There are elements of all three timelines in this one game now I’m not gonna go over all the evidence that I covered last timeline episode. Trust me I would love to I would love to extend the watch time of this video artificially But for the purposes of today’s Theory I will refresh you on some of the highlights which include breath of the wild having rocksalt Couric’s and rito which were all left over from the great ocean We travel in wind wakers part of the timeline Then there’s the existence of Lionel’s spectacle Rock being in the world and a yellow brimmed hero hat alongside the absence of Ganon’s inform which would all point towards the downfall timeline and then finally Zelda’s Passing mention of the glowing embers of Twilight in one of the memories that you end up unlocking over the course of the game Which obviously alludes to Twilight Princess and thus the child timeline now that last one may sound like it’s the weakest Right and admittedly I was a bit quick to dismiss it in the past episode so let me just give you a bit more to chew on as far as how it relates to the child timeline cuz shockingly it’s actually One of the strongest in breath of the wilds quest a fragmented monument link is asked to find fragments for a structure That looks exactly like the mirror of Twilight from Twilight Princess Now that alone would be pretty strong evidence. But we’re not done also in that same game Midna ruler of the Twilight Realm Explicitly says that her people believe that the hero of legend would appear as a divine beast And what do we have as our primary? Mission throughout breadth of the wild a quest to awaken ancient machines all with animal themes in order to defeat Ganon and what are these giant animal mechs called divine? beasts Zelda even says that Divine beast was actually built by people lastly breath of the wild has the presence of a friendly Human-like Zora species now that at first might seem weird for me to call out since it feels like Zora Exists across all the different games equally, but when you actually look at the timeline, it isn’t true in the adult timeline It said that the Zora have gone extinct and have given rise to the rito the bird people so knows or is there knocking out? That part of the timeline and then over in the downfall timeline The Zora are no longer friendly, but have actually regressed into the form of monsters according to the Hyrule Encyclopedia quote by the era of a Link to the Past the kingdom of Hyrule is in decline and relations with the Zora have soured Greatly their bodies change from blue to green and they become increasingly Aggressive towards outsiders by the era of The Adventure of Link the Zora are outright monsters end quote So essentially the Zora become enemies due to the lack of communication between themselves and the hylians So for breath of the wild to have friendly, highly Cognitive Zoras like we see in the game. It would need to take place in the chow time line so honestly There you go three time lines with three really solid buckets of evidence each supporting breath of the wild standing at the end of each of those time lines, which means honestly, It’s most likely intended to be the descendant of all of them, which I totally get that’s fine Probably what the Zelda team intended as they try to move beyond the time line baggage of all the past games But it still leaves us with one problem. We still have to find a way to unite the three timelines I mean if breadth of the wild is gonna exist somewhere on this chart Which clearly Nintendo is still intending to have happen then somehow those three timelines need to be merged together once again to produce breath of the wild So how do you do that sort of thing without an end game level of time heist this my friends is the missing link Of the timeline in quite a literal sense We’ve had our hero of time hero of legend hero of Twilight hero of the skies Heck there’s even been a hero of trains because you know what modes of transportation need heroes, too So who then is our hero of the multiverse, who is the one that brings it all together? enter Hyrule warriors a game that shares a special connection between not just one but all three of these separate timelines a game whose entire plot revolves around multiple moments from Zelda history all merging together into one series of climactic battles a game that stands to be the missing piece to connect breath of the wild to the rest of the Timelines for those of you who haven’t played it Which is probably a lot of you since it was originally released on the Wii U First off the definitive edition is available right now on the Nintendo switch all DLC included and it is great. It’s a hack-and-slash Dynasty warrior style action game which means it is non-stop So if beating up thousands of Zelda series enemies using Link’s iconic weaponry after they’ve been roided-up to the max Sounds like fun to you. Then Hyrule warriors is Absolutely worth a playthrough, but more importantly for the theory today. We’re not interested in the gameplay We’re here for the story in Hyrule warriors there exists a sorceress named SIA. No, not that SIA This one is tasked with maintaining the balance to the Triforce not interpretive dance performances accompanied by catchy pop melodies hair bows Although I gotta say they do both hide their faces quite a bit Anyway, this task allows her to see across all timelines The thing is she’s not supposed to interfere But while watching the different timelines for so many thousands of years three things always stand out to her as the constant spirit of darkness Spirit of heylia the hero she eventually falls in love with the hero But she knows that she can’t have him because zelda always shows up when darkness starts going up on the rise This jealousy is all Ganon needs to come in possessor and drive a rift in her soul Eventually splitting her into two different people Lana the righteous good and pure half and sia the prideful lustful evil half in this story Ganon soul was broken into four fragments and scattered throughout the timelines to ensure that he couldn’t be Resurrected honestly, probably the smartest idea that anyone’s ever had in his elder game But because of this he ends up manipulating SIA into merging the timelines together in gathering the pieces of his soul TLDR here thirsty time sorceress unites the multiverse for love and then resurrects Ganon instead Whoopsy now you can already see where this is headed right in order to explain Everything we see present and breath of the wild. We need a game to unite three timelines into one We need an ocean to appear to produce rock salt We need Zoras to not be evil, but also not be extinct so they can exist alongside the Rito We need Lionel’s and spectacle Rock in a world with core rocks in the mirror of Twilight sand in Hyrule warriors we have exactly that we have ourselves a game where Timelines interact but the evidence doesn’t just end with a simple explanation of everything Jumbled up We also know specifically that elements of all three timelines are Mixed in this one game a game mind you which takes place at the end of the child timeline We know it’s at the end of the child timeline because of all the Twilight Princess references One of the pieces of Ganon soul is hidden in the Twilight Realm. We refight Zant from that game It also features locations like Faron woods before the multiverse is even introduced a location mind you that only appears in Skyward Sword Twilight Princess and wouldn’t you know it breath of the wild now when she emerges the timelines she explicitly combines the Skyward Sword era the Twilight era and era of time none of which would actually point us in the direction of any additional timelines merging in since two of the three are already happening in a United timeline before the split even happens and the third one is happening in the child timeline Where we just established the game clearly takes place But then you start looking a bit closer at what’s in this game by the end of it a fourth major Scenario gets mixed in the Great Sea from the adult timeline becomes the final major Quest and what we might not outright visit an event from the downfall timeline It is Actually present here throughout the game iconic recurring bosses are called in for climactic final battles King to dongho’s go mom But there’s one in particular that stands out the four headed men Handler planned an enemy whose origins date back to the first ever Zelda title and who has ever since appeared in games? specifically from the downfall timeline That and its appearance in Four Swords Adventures, but honestly that game shouldn’t fit there in the timeline anyway So I’m choosing to ignore that one and not only that but we can actually find lasting effects for how the events of Hyrule warriors Carries over into breath of the wild first off the maps share some pretty striking similarities geographically with breadth of the wild I mean we did a whole thing on how maps in the Zelda series have a hard time staying consistent even the one that we ended up settling on was But that was also because we didn’t consider Hyrule warriors as canon There are a lot of places that stick out across these two maps quite honestly The Lost Woods are directly north of Hyrule Castle on both maps death mountain is northeast on both maps Kakariko village is southeast on both maps But what I find to be particularly strange is the location of the valley of seers Located just northeast of Death Mountains the base of operations for sia who originally is in possession of the Triforce of power Now what happens to be around the same location just northeast of Death Mountain in breadth of the wild the spring of power I mean they had an entire map to place this thing But then they just settle on that specific spot which has strong connections with the Triforce of power in one and only one game and that game happens to be Hyrule warriors so weird coincidence if you ask me, but it’s just stuff on a map. You say how does Hyrule warriors explain? Why there are items found across all timelines in breath of the wild? Well, like I said in the game’s epilogue phantom Ganon steals CEA’s powers and brings the great seed Hyrule thus the great scene now exists in the same timeline as the Twilight Realm it explains how the Rito end up in a timeline where they don’t exist and how medley from Wind Waker ends up getting a divine beast named after her vom meadow in a timeline where she Also doesn’t exist and most importantly of all that explains how rock salt from underneath a great sea ends up all over Hyrule that never had a great sea to begin with it also helps explain one other inconsistency across these games Ruto princess of the Zora Ruto is so revered as a legendary ruler of the Zora that she’s called a sage in breath of the wild But that’s kind of an issue if you stop and think about it ruto only becomes a sage in the adult timeline And yet she’s regarded as one on the Zora Tablets in breath of the wild our clue comes from the following section from the tablet quote It is said that Ruto awoke as a sage facing this foe alongside the princess of Hyrule and the hero of legend all of this gets explained away if Hyrule warriors is truly canon Because now in the game and older fully sage doubt Ruto literally fights Ganon alongside Zelda and link It is a thing that happens in this game and as such could totally be the thing that this Zora tablet is talking about Let’s also take a minute to look at the champions tunic from breath of the wild its flavor textu reads quote in ancient Hyrule this garment could only be worn by one who had earned the respect of the royal family and quote now if we take a quick look at all the hero garbs across all the separate timelines and I mean super quick because This is really obvious to see there isn’t a single Tunic that uses the color blue in it and no protective rings or Zora tunics. Don’t count since they’re either accessories or completely different outfits altogether But you know where we can see blue as a part of the heroes garb shouldn’t come as a surprise at this point It’s the heroes tunic in Hyrule warriors Which features an extremely similar shade of blue by way of the blue gloves and trendy scarf? This would be the first Instance of this color ever on a chosen hero and that’s not all even the story of how link gets this outfit also matches the breath of the wild Description at the end of one of the early missions links heroic actions earned the trust of Impa in her quest to rescue Princess zelda and she has a consort to the royal family rewards him with the heroes clothes which in turn shows complete trust in him to become the hero that Hyrule needs link has earned the respect of the royal family and has thus earned himself the colours which then Translates to the champions tunic when it comes time for breath of the wild centuries upon centuries upon centuries. Later But I do think that there’s one other interesting set of similarities here to point out in Hyrule warriors We see two very distinct forms of Ganon his normal human form Ganondorf as well as the pig demon Ganon both have very specific designs Noticed the crown with five chains over his head all leading to a central gem on the forehead and now pay attention to the hair Super long and fiery with the beard connected up to the hairline now Let’s look at the animal form Ganon here is a wild beast. He’s a boar who truly stands and attacks on four legs So with all that in mind, let’s check out some close-ups of Ganon and Ganondorf from Twilight Princess We have ourselves a crown with five chains leading up to a central gem on his forehead here That’s certainly shorter But pretty full and looking like if you waited a couple of centuries to be revived could end up looking like we see in Hyrule Warriors a pig form that is truly animalistic and attacks on all fours. Now. Let’s check out the Ganondorf from the downfall timeline Oh wait, we can’t because he doesn’t exist why change back to human form when you’ve already won. He stays a bipedal Armored pigs throughout the rest of that timeline. So then how about Ganondorf over in the adult timeline like Wind Waker? well He’s wearing a crown but it’s definitely a different crown and it kinda looks like he needs some Rogaine Looking like you’re kind of going bald there, buddy So Ganon’s design and hyrule warriors definitely seems to be a direct continuation of what we saw in Twilight Princess Which is great it coincides with what we said about it happening in the child timeline But admittedly it’s a bit odd for a game that they are so vehemently denying to be canonical It feels like a pretty direct connection, but they’re just like nope. Shut it down But then there’s one other dot that I think’s interesting and that I think we can connect here take a look at this It’s a close-up of : ganon in the final moments of breath of the wild You notice anything a connected beard and hairline red and fiery and a crown with four chains but room for five all connected to a central jewel on the Forehead or maybe our noticing the final beast form of Ganon here which isn’t a bipedal armored pig but is instead an actual wild animal yet again on four legs this my friends this feels very strongly as twilight princesses Ganon who has a direct design connection through Hyrule warriors Hyrule warriors doesn’t just help explain why so many time lines appear mixed up in breath of the wild It is the piece that we’ve been missing that connects literally Everything in these games it explains some of the seemingly new Out-of-the-blue things that show up in breath of the wild like links blue tunic that apparently belonged to champions of the past and Ganon’s Wildly new form it explains the strange occurrences Scattered throughout Hyrule like the rock salt the Zora tablets the naming of the divine beasts, though Nintendo keeps claiming this game as non-canon I’m not so sure about it anymore Hyrule warriors fills in nearly every gap that makes breath of the wild so ambiguous and it just so happens to be the last major zelda title that was released before breath of the wild totally changed everything about this series the Breadcrumbs were there the whole time? We just needed to pick him up and follow him back to where they all Converged and also get the game on a system. That wasn’t the Wii U so we would actually play it so make it official Nintendo Hyrule warriors link is the hero of the Multiverse and interestingly enough as a side note If this game did suddenly become canon who also have the inclusion of linkle who would be the first female Link the first female destined hero So this game would also be woke without even realizing it Nintendo and hey You know what if I’m wrong it came to light from my own imagination, which makes it a valid assertion Anyway, isn’t that right Nintendo? You see why that sort of thing is frustrating But hey, that’s just a theory a game Theory thanks for watching and hey If you want to see my past Theory going into more detail about breath of the wise placement in the Zelda timeline stab the Box to the left with your master mouse or click the box to the right and make yourself the hero of the Notification Val truly the most valuable hero to all of us who work on the channel I’ll see you all next week again for that fine-ass episode that I promised and just took longer to write than I expected

100 thoughts on “Game Theory: Dear Nintendo, I FIXED Your Timeline! (Zelda)

  1. I have my own theory that's breath of the wild is actually from another branched off timeline where, in ocarina of time, the hero stays. He has nothing to go back to in his childhood and he knows the deal will only last for so long.

  2. the hat isn't even yellow brimmed. also, lynel's are in other timelines too. i love your videos but you stretch things WAY too far and make it WAY more dramatic than it needs to be.

  3. Ok I love the game Zelda, but something of these timelines. One thing never sits well with me. Matt can you come up with a theory to why in time line that results in a world 80 – 90% covered in water. Why does the Zora become extincted. Surely they should be thriving, souldn't they? Ok one explanation is that the Zora need fresh water and not salt water, so they died out when the world became covered in salt water. But in our world crocodiles have evolved both salt and fresh water crocodiles. salt water crocodiles being able the survive in salt water for a short time. Some shark species can come into fresh water for a time. and dolphins have again evolved both fresh water and salt water. Not only that we have a Zelda timeline were the Zora evolve into monsters. I have heard a theory that the zora did evolve in the windwaker timeline to become the Rita. but why would they evolve wings if it would be easier I feel for the genetics to evolve a way to deal with salt water better. My theory is that the zora is still alive in windwaker. However, with a giant ocean to live in. They are just deep down in the sea. living in their own kingdom away from the surface. As the sea dried up over the years, they rejoin the surface world ready for breath of the wild.

  4. 20:29

    Actually, in one of the memories, that tunic was made by Zelda, and each of the other champions got their own piece of a blue cloth.

  5. Hey Matpat. I was just thinking about this theory and I couldn't help but notice some key problems with your theory, as well as some revolations revolving around Hyrule Warriors. Now don't get me wrong, I really like this theory and I believe that it could work for the most part. Anyway, onto the problem. At some point in the theory, you mention that the events that talk place in Hyrule Warriors could result in the three timelines becoming one. However, the issue I have is that if you really wanted to "merge" the timelines, you would need to take the current/present points in each of the timelines(being Adventure of Zelda, Legend of Zelda: four swords, and Legend of Zelda Spirit tracks) and use those components/worlds to create a unified timeline. And that is NOT what's happening in Hyrule Warriors. It doesn't just boil down to four worlds giving elements to a single part, but rather characters, items, and other such objects are being pulled in from ALL OVER THE TIMELINE. So, in truth, what is actually happening is that parts and pieces from across the vast universe of the Legend of Zelda franchise are being poured into a single point in time, and therefore creating a new timeline which would soon enough result in Breathe of the Wild. Now originally I was going to leave it at just that, but then I got thinking some more and I think I know where Hyruke Warriors would be placed in the timeline. And that is somewhere in the middle of Majorna's mask and Twilight Princess in the child timeline. Now before anyone spams me with comments, I would like to point out why I think this. As Matpat pointed out, the Ganondorf in this game looks very similar to twilight princess Ganondorf, but I have a few better points. For starters, similarly to Ganondorf's case, Warriors Zelda and TP Zelda's design look very similar, only in their case it seems to be in reverse to Ganondorf's. Not to mention that Skull Kid was present in the game with Majorna's mask on before any of the timeline stuff went down. Also, one of the items link uses(I forgot the name, but it's the top) is actually an item we only see in Twilight Princess. But the one factor that says that Hyrule Warrior takes place between those two points in time can be proven by one character: The Great Fairy. The Great fairy that we see in this game looks like(and possibly is) the Great Great Fairy we see in Ocarina of Time, and possibly Majorna's Mask; while the great fairy in Twilight Princess looks EXTREMELY different than the one we see in Hyrule Warriors. Anyway, that's just my thoughts. A Game Thought! Let me know what you guys think of this, and if anyone is able to contact Matpat, PLEASE send him something so that he will check this out. Have a nice day!

  6. Completely a rip-off of polygon's video by BDG on the zelda timeline from september 25 2018 (which honestly was probably ripped off from somewhere else). Blatant.

  7. Getting really tired of your crap in my feed. Your theory's are garbage, the thumbnails are cringe, you're a smug pr!ck who can't take criticism, and you gave THE F*CKING POPE Undertale.


  8. Am I the only one who wishes for a complete "Epic of Stew" from these crazy, lovely people?
    They're probably too busy with everything else, but I'm really feelin' what they can offer with their take on a Zelda game.

  9. Where did your own photo/persona came from and where did your own persona which you use for your videos started to pop up from? You should need a new photo, because I don’t think that represents you anymore, you need a new photo to use for your channel to better represent yourself now.

  10. I love all of The Zelda games, but my favorite game by far is Majora's mask.. I guess I'm just a sucker Time travel stuff.. 🙃

  11. 10:24 Hyrule Warriors. Where you can play as some of the most iconic characters from the Legend of Zelda franchise such as Loise Belcher from Bob's Burgers.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist 😄

  12. I have a better timeline: There is no timeline. The games are not connected, but forced together for no reason, and all of this is further proven by Breath of the Wild.

  13. MatPat, on Movie Theory can you do an analysis Scott Lang's Growth=Sleepy issue and see if it works in reverse?

  14. Matpat, you should look at the 2 videos by NintendoBlackCrisis and HMK that debunk this one.
    (The titles are: Did MatPat fix the Zelda timeline?, and :How MatPat DID’NT FIX the Zelda timeline)

  15. Linkle is not supposed to be actually female Link, that was just a lazy way to describe how she looked like. She was originally supposed to be Link's little sister, but it was cut. Now due to her popularity they are including her as a character with her own story, but she's not supposed to be Link's replacement. So please spare us with the "woke" bullshit. Nobody cares anymore, in fact people hate that pretentious attitude.

  16. This is a very interesting theory, but it has a few major plotholes. It did, however, make me create my own theory based off of yours that I think would eliminate all (okay maybe not all, but some) of the plotholes. The largest plothole is that, at the end of Hyrule Warriors, Link, Zelda, and Lana revert everything back to how it was before the events of the game, therefore no merging of the multiverse. Not only this, but as NintendoBlackCrisis points out in his video, the worlds present in HW do not actually merge. Instead, Cia opens portals to the other worlds. The worlds exist in the same space and time, but do not actually merge into one world, rather they exist in two separate planes of reality (and I'll admit this is the one plothole that I couldn't fully work through with my theory). Now for my theory. The game that unites the timelines is not Hyrule Warriors, but Hyrule Warriors 2. If Nintendo were to create a sequel to HW, they could make a new story where, instead of reverting everything back to normal as they did in HW1, the effects of the story could be so drastic that they may be irreversible. This would allow for factors from each timeline to be present in BOTW. The best explanation for the worlds merging rather than what happens in HW1 is that either it's a different circumstance than what happens in HW1 that we just haven't seen, but that's admittedly a weak argument. I also have an explanation for how this could still be possible even though Nintendo says HW is not cannon. HW cannot take place after the events of TP because Midna and Zant are still fighting and Midna is still in her imp form rather than being reverted to her true form at the end of TP. My theory is that HW is not cannon because it is a different story. So far, Nintendo has confirmed there to be three timelines, but there's only one story, all starting from Skyward Sword and Demise's curse. HW takes place in a different universe where the events of SS did not take place, though Demise clearly still existed and cursed the spirit of the hero and the spirit of Hylia. This would allow HW to be it's own, separate story, therefore allowing Nintendo to consider it not cannon. the events of HW2 would not only merge timelines together, but merge universes and stories together, thus allowing the events of the BOTW to take place after this merge, which would have merged the timelines and multiverse into one (think Crisis on Infinite Earths). By doing this, Nintendo not only gets a way to finally settle any dispute about the official timeline, but they also get to make more money by selling another game. It's a win-win! But hey, that's just a theory, a very confusing and unlikely game theory! Thanks for reading!

  17. It's akin to one of those cases where the devs wrote themselves to a deadend where even treading lightly could still potentially undermine certain detail from a previous game. I heard that's why the Mass Effect series went to Andromeda to try to avoid that lol. Except, in the Zelda series, everything is already a clusterf*ck, it kind of feels like Nintendo originally intended each game to be of it's own world, where each game just feels like a new start to the same story.

  18. I didn’t watch this when it came out because the thumbnail made me think it was the SCIENCE.

    It would be lovely if you guys could make the thumbnails for your different videos more distinct so viewers can more easily find the series they enjoy

  19. 5:28–5:32 "The Child timeline, leading to Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess."

    Four Swords Adventures: "Am I a joke to you?"

  20. Im pretty Sure Nintendo said that HYrule warriors falls out of the timeline clearly, You can't argue with the flipping developers of the series!


  22. I just realized that Game Theory has now (August 12th) 301 videos! I’m surprised you didn’t acknowledge it. Congratulations MatPat!!!!

  23. Love me some Hyrule Warriors: it's got the best Gannondorf design ever AND it includes Linkle, who needs to be in a mainline game STAT. Making it essential canon is just icing on the cake.

  24. Employee: "Aonuma-san, this guy is good at putting this stuff together. Maybe we should hire him?"
    Aonuma: "I told you that we just do whatever we want! The people will buy our games anyway!"

    Nintendo: NOPE creates new game that breaks timeline
    Zelda Game: Attac

  26. I have more evidence! If you buy the DLC there is an that you can get that references wind waker and another for twilight princess.

  27. So your telling me the Gannon from btw and btw 2 is the same Gannon from tw princess and from oot that’s amazing

  28. You deserve an award for this, not even kidding 👏🏻 If nintendo still denies i‘m gonna end up mad 😤

  29. Breth of the wild Link is ocarina of time link and i have a game theory about it all aspects regarding game theory are copyrighted

  30. pls matpat i know this vid sucks as hell but the theory is origynally mine and the theory is actually made by the sole discovery of ocarina of time link is twilight princes people if you think this sucks pls don't be haters and the video yust sucks and matpat if you could give it head pls transform this into a professional video and give me some credit if you need any more info pls contact [email protected] this is padq singing off

  31. i haven't played hyrule warriors, I would like to think that if I did I would have noticed this but i'm honestly not sure / ' -' /

  32. I've been thinking one thing since Oliver was born. Based on what you said in the " Who's Rosalina's Parents", because he's blonde, it means one of 2 things. 1. You or Stephanie carry recessive genes and it was unlikely that he would be blonde or 2. LuIgI yOu ArE tHe FaThEr

  33. There isn't supposed to be a timeline. Hyrule Historia came out and I think while writing they were like "Alright I guess, lets do a timeline"
    Also, the child timeline wouldn't exist. It's all one. Sure, Link kills Ganon in the future, but the adult part of Ocarina of Time would just happen later.

  34. Honestly best GT vid in a long time. I've been thinking this for a while. It's dumb to release a Timeline connecting game, then release a game that considers all timelines canon while saying the timeline connecting game is noncanon. HW is free real estate!

  35. NintendoBlackCrisis and HMK did a counter theory collab that brings up a few solid points and I think it is worth checking out or maybe you could also do a collab with them an discus further I still personally agree with you here because this would be awesome

  36. just want to make a small correction. Linkle isn't a "destined hero" as you say. she believes herself to be the incarnation of the hero, but she is not

  37. Honestly, wasn't a shred of doubt that Breath of the Wild could've been part of the child timeline. However, I didn't consider Divine Beast Vah Medoh.

  38. Hi 😗.. sorry I don’t know what to say 😅… but thank you Matpat I always enjoy your videos 😁

    (Sorry for my English 😅.. am still studying 🙄)

  39. MatPat: Impa is consort to the royal family.
    Me: … like, all of them? … Not to kink shame, but either you’ve been pulling your info from a, um, specific type of fanfiction, or that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

  40. MatPat: Impa is consort to the royal family.
    Me: … like, all of them? … Not to kink shame, but either you’ve been pulling your info from a, um, specific type of fanfiction, or that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

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