Testing Some Zoom Features for Remote Instruction

I mean, no sense not recording it. Yeah. I recorded pretty much my entire weekend. My wife and I talked for four
hours and I recorded that. I saw part of that on
Instagram. It was funny. She’s technically not
paid to stay with you. The only thing I took away from
that whole thing, yeah. The uh, uh, we went, we went out, uh, Saturday night left our
teenage daughter at home, got home about 15 minutes earlier than
she expected and saw six teenagers running out my back door. So yeah, I’ll share the podcast with you
cause it’s, it’s a pretty good, it’s an hour and 40 minutes, but you
can listen to it at going faster. It’s, it’s funny stuff, man and
stuff. And yeah, I’ll, uh, I can’t record all of
it. What we said. Um, so I’ll share the private
link with you cause right on. Yeah. So are you recording now? Yeah. All
right. Cause Oh yeah, I can see the thing. So w so what, a couple ideas that I have
that I thought would be useful in this. And um, you know, just kind of during
this time as you’re setting things up. So I noticed your, you know, kind of your pictures of your set up and
what it looks like and, and you know, and, and that kind of thing. So
I’m wondering if we like do a, here’s your range, right? Here’s your
kind of like if, if you got the equipment, you know, here’s kind of your,
almost your maximal setup, right? And then a minimal setup, which,
you know, would be very similar, but it would just be basically my desk
with a blue Yeti and an extra screen. Right. Cause you can, you can,
cause that’s all you need, right. And to do it just to kind of help people
out. Um, cause I, I gotta tell you, man, I take, I take it for
granted, not only the, you know, we’ve, we’ve thought about this
stuff for a long time as far as what, what we think would be effective and how
we can try things out in the classroom. And that kind of thing.
But even just we take it, we take for granted just the ability
to work remote, right? Just the tool, right. Slack, this, that no thing. And even at to you in
online education company, people that are used to
going to the office every day
don’t know what to do when they have to work from home. Right. And that’s come and talk
about expert blind spot. I was like what do you mean
you don’t know how to do that? Like and it’s just like, yeah, I mean I’ve been working from home for
so long and work a remodel remote teams for so long that it’s second nature. So like our team is completely remote so
this has literally not changed my life. What bit on job for right. So I think some of the things that
you and I probably think can pretty elementary we can, we can share with people that might
really help them even remote work kind of thing. The other thing I think would be
would be neat and I’d like to try out, maybe we could try this out as well
while we’re doing this is um, you know, one kind of give them kind
of, you know, help people out, give away some cheat sheets and that
kind of stuff. You know, for, Hey, you know, if you’re to use
zoom for a class, here’s some, here’s some best practices,
here’s some tips right. Everywhere from very
simple to, you know what, I’m going to mute everybody and
I’m just going to lecture at yeah. All the way to how can you foster
some interaction all the way into, um, how can you use breakout rooms, which frankly I haven’t used breakout
rooms and that kind of stuff. So I think, you know, that’s something
I need to explore. And then you can even go to the
one on one side of like, okay, well how could you do like paired
programming or pair debugging with, with the screen control. So you
kind of have this whole, you know, just almost like a webinar all the way
to, you know, kind of break out groups. And that kind of stuff all the
way to just one on one help. Yeah. Cause I don’t even know
how the breakout rooms even work. I don’t either. But I’ve, I’ve, I’ve heard people talking to them
and I’ve heard, um, some, you know, just anecdotally, um, people have some really
good experience with them. I don’t know what that means though. So I think that that’s something we
should experiment with and you know, and, and again, we can just kind of give
maybe a couple of one sheeters on, Hey, you know, if you’re going to
use zoo, this is, you know, this is the way to do X,
Y, and Z scenarios, right? Kind of give them some scenarios. Here’s maybe some best practice to know
how to use zoom or whatever. So, um, so while I need to do some
research, I don’t know how to use, I don’t even know how
to use breakout rooms. Well here, I’m going to, uh, share
the link with you right now. Um, it’ll be interesting to see if this
is a free thing or if it’s part of the enterprise version, right? Um,
which I think enterprise version, they were looking at 600 bucks a month. Wow. Yeah. At the lot of money. Yeah. I mean, yeah. So yeah, 100%. I agree
exactly what, what you’re saying. I think you and I both have the
perspective on this too. Um, help people who are coming in from ground
zero but then help people who may be, have, um, funny, use the tool for
pedagogical reasons and be able to use, okay. So breakout sessions
we’re going to do, I’m teaching a screenwriting class that
basically the second half of the class was supposed to be workshopping writing.
Okay. How are we going to do that? Yeah. We can have conversations in zoom, but for me to be able to
actually Mark up a document, we got to use another tool for that. But then if we’re in class
and the live session of class, I want to break out into
different rooms. Like, yeah. Yeah. So exploring, that’ll be important know. So I think, I think that’ll
be important. And then, um, uh, you know, I, I think also then
putting, you know, how does Slack, how does Slack integrate
with zoo, you know, and can you use those together and you
know, when would you rather use Slack, you know, versus the zoom
chat or would you, you know, and those kinds of things
and you know, um, you know, and using Slack like did at the Guild
where that was kind of like first level support, right? Hey, quick answer,
it’s over Slack. We’re done. If not, let’s hop into a zoom
room and let’s, you know, that’s just dive deeper. The one thing that I’m going
to work on right now, um, what we’ve kind of started I think is
going to be vital for this being sucks, this remote thing being
successful in any way, shape or form is going to be
communication protocols. Yeah. Like when we are in, just in general, what goes through email when we’re
having a live session where questions put when we’re not in the live session where
our questions put like how do we deal with learner questions in a
way that that’s manageable, um, addressed timely. Because
learners are going to freak out. Um, and yeah, so that’s, that’s part of what I’m going to try to
settle this week as we move into next week is loosely defining some of those
things with a group of people who don’t like things defined for them, AKA faculty. So good times. Hey, I’m a faculty and I know, yeah, yeah. Teachers make the worst students.
They’re the worst, but we love us. Sure we do. I love us every time. I
know I have to teach us the, um, the one thing that’s uh, uh, also though right now with the
switch to online and remote stuff, I’m really pushing hard.
Don’t make teachers do what
they’re not trained to do. Don’t make them instructional designers
don’t make them LMS uploaders. Don’t make them transcribers.
Don’t make them video producers. Let them do what they
do. We have people who, who are trained and can do this
thing after the fact. Let us do that. You just worry about sitting in front of
a group of people and making sure they feel connected to what
you’re talking about. Even if that group of people is staring
at you through webcams like we are agreed. I agree with
that. I agree with that. So do you want to test this code thing?
This is what I’m really interested. I actually am setting up, uh, I’m
setting up a Maven project, right? Or a project in Intelijay right now. So I’m going to set up my editor and
I’ll get some Blake files here and um, cause and while you do that, one of the problems that we have when
teaching code is it’s very hard to troubleshoot code without seeing it
and being able to actually type with somebody, right? Like, Hey, sometimes you just have to drive for
that person and show them what they’re doing wrong or what they
need to do. Right. Um, and I think this is what we’re going to
try to explore it right here, right now, not only for instructional purposes, but also for what’s called the
concept of paired programming, which I’m going to have you explain
what that is cause I’ll mess it up. Yeah. So, yeah, so paired
programming, um, you know, it’s a technique used by a lot of agile
development methodologies where you, rather than having everybody work
kind of on their, at their own pace, on their other code, what
you’ll do is you’ll have, um, you’ll have two people
attack a problem together. And generally what you’ll do is generally
when you pair your parent in person, so you will be, it’ll be basically
two people, one keyboard, right? So, and, and what you do, and there’s a lot of different
terminologies depending
on the methodology using or whatever, but I like to say there’s a, there’s a driver and
there’s a navigator, right? And so you’ll have somebody that, I
mean the whole key of this, right? And it gets back to what you said
before is communication, right? So in paired programming, there’s a lot
of communication that needs to go on. So the person typing, um,
is going to, you know, essentially be kind of, um, even
though they’re, they’re driving, they’re not actually navigating, right? So the person kind of over their shoulder
is kind of thinking out loud and you know, going through and saying, okay, well we need to solve this problem
this way. Just go over here, let’s put this piece of code, adhere
this piece of code in here, whatever. And then the person driving is actually
going to implement that piece of code, right? So you have, you know, is
actually going to tighten it, right? So you have one keyboard
forehands and what you can’t do, and what a lot of people will
do is if they’re driving, they’ll just start typing and
ignore the person behind, right? And so that’s where you really want
the person that’s navigating kind of, you want them to talk about the problem
and it really paired programming and effective pair programming really. You
know, just, it’s just like anything, right? That we tell, especially
new coders don’t coat the problem, take a step back and try to solve
the problems. So a lot of, you know, really with paired programming it, you take a step back and it
actually starts with, you know, paired investigation and almost
paired design of the, of the, of the solution, right
to whatever you’re doing. So rather than just having somebody
blindly type what the other person says, you know, you should take
a step back and say, okay, how are we going to approach this problem?
What do we need to do? What are the, what are the, you know, what are the
requirements? What are the outcomes? We’re going to have this, you know,
this, this, talk about this, this, this, you know, this put this
together, you know, even whiteboard it and then let’s
do it together. And you know what, you start typing, I’m to
look over here at our map, I’m going to help us
navigate. So it’s, you know, it’s almost like they build
the map together and then
you’ve got a driver and a navigator. So it’s not like known
from some bossing other person around. We went, it’s really
effective. Your, your, your team problem solving is
what you’re really doing. Gotcha. And when it’s effective and
the communication is effective, you could get some real
economies of scale there, right? You could get some real efficiencies
there and you can kind of, you’ve got, you know, two, two brains on
the problem. You can, you know, kind of see the shortcomings in each
other’s way of thinking and come up with a really good solution and then go ahead
and think through it, talk through it, and then implement it and then
go for it. Right? So it’s, um, it can be very effective. Um, and
it’s kind of what peer programming is. It’s kind of slow in the slowing
things down too, and making you think about what you’re doing by forcing you
to interact with somebody else, which, which, which inevitably slows things down
when you have two people trying to sort something out. Right? You want to
watch a movie, it’s easy. You’re, you and your wife tried to
choose a movie together. Right? Right. Well, and you know, and the
thing that I think it really, um, that it really forces is that even
without pair programming, so I’ve been, I’ve been developing software for a
long time and when I started developing software, paired programming
wasn’t, wasn’t a paradigm
that anybody really used. It wasn’t something that it’d be thought
of. But even at that point, right, if you look at the life
cycle of, of, you know, a piece of code and you
look at the coding part, which is what everybody really
concentrates on, if you’re doing it right, the coding part is, is the
smallest part because it’s you, you need to solve a problem. The code just happens to be the
expression to solving the problem. So go back and solve the
problem, think about it, figure out how you’re going to test it, figure out how it fits
into the bigger picture. And once you have that all figured out
to solve it and then go coat it, right? And so this, this actually forces it and now you have
a partner in crime to like kind of make you, like, force you into that. So there’s a, there’s a sane in design and
I don’t know who to attribute this to, but like you know, one of the reasons we sketch so much is
so we don’t finalize our crappy designs in illustrator or whatever the design
program is. Right? Because you know, once you start coding, once you start putting an actual physical
type on a screen elements on a screen, you fall in love with those elements and
try to work your solution around those elements versus, right. It changes your point of view
and it kind of works here. Yeah. Because now that you put those there, it feels like that’s part of your reality
and that you have to work around it. Right. Well, and I think too, the whole
concept of navigation and driver, it requires you to, as a navigator to be much more
clear in your communication, right? You can’t just say,
Hey, add the thing there. Right, right. Absolutely. The
other pieces that’s really, that’s really key in this is that if
you have a really well functioning pair together that you should be
able to just switch. Right? So if that communication
is really clear and you’re, you’re really communicating with each
other, you’re really, um, you know, you’re, you’re really on the same page and you
guys are really thinking about the same things. But it should be very easy for me to
hand the keyboard over to you and start navigating and it should be
seamless, right? Because we’re, we’re on the same page. We’re communicating while we were in
that flow and we’re working together. And that’s also not to say that the
person driving can’t speak, right? I mean, obviously there’s communities, it’s a two way communication
on a one way communication. And I kind of liked the idea of when you
sit back, you know, and a lot of times, you know, this happened at the Guild, I
remember a couple of times very vividly, right? Where a pair, what
would come up and there’s like, we just can’t get this. And uh,
my first thing would be like, close your notebook, close your notebook, grab a dry marker and get
over to a whiteboard and
see how long it takes you to figure this out. And inevitably, you
know, within three, four, five minutes, it’d be like, okay, we got it right,
because you’re not trying to code at it. So what I really like is, you know,
as a pair, you look at the program, you look at the problem and you close
the laptop and you solve it together. So in other words, you guys are
the mapmakers, right? So this, make the map together,
let’s write this all down. And then during that translation part
where you’re translating it to code, that’s where you really have
the navigator and the driver. So the driver implementing and typing
and putting the things in and doing what you need to do. And then the
navigator there has, has, has their eye on the map and making sure
that you’re going through and you’re, you’re executing this plan that you both
came up with exactly the way that you want to navigate it. Right? And the
way you want to implement it. So, um, you know, again, it’s
it at any given time, it’s not that the navigator is more
important than the driver or vice versa. It’s just a, you know, it’s just a,
you know, it’s just different roles, um, to solve a particular problem. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna, um, I’m gonna Snapchat us a a picture or
Facebook or Instagram or whatever. Us a picture. Got you. Sorry. Cool. Uh, so I think
the other big piece, right, where this comes into into
play, so there is the, there is the pair programming
and you know, again, done right. I think we can really,
um, you know, we’ll, we’ll experiment some
different ways of doing this. So how do we do that
with zoom? Right, right. And, and, and so I think that that, and
I think debugging is the other piece, right? To your point where sometimes if somebody
is having problems and say you’re a faculty member or you
know, you’re not, uh, you’re not necessarily
a member of the pair, but maybe there’s a pair that’s having
some difficulties and could come in. And a lot of times it’s
really hard to, you know, without seeing their code
and understanding what it
looks like and that kind of stuff, it’s, it can be very
difficult to help them debug it. Oh, I’ve used Slack, so I use Slack for all of my classes
and for my web page development class, people will ask questions in Slack.
It’s like, Hey, this isn’t working. I’m like, great, what do you want me to
guess at first? Right. So I, I think that this is
another, you know this with zoom, I think this is another way
for us to kind of do this. So let’s do a little simple experiment
here. So I’m going to share one of my, I’m going to share one of my screens with
you and then I’m going to see if I can give you control. I’m going to, and I’m going to pause
you for a second or keep going. Um, there is an option for
me as the meeting host, I can allow one participant to share
at a time or multiple participants can share simultaneously. I’m actually going to turn on the
multiple one cause I want to see what that looks like when in a second
here. So that’s a good point. I don’t know what that looks like
either because if we’re talking about a whiteboard and it could be a virtual
whiteboard or Google draw thing that’s got flowchart on it and then my code next to it, me as
the person trying to troubleshoot, I need to see both of those or to
to advise them to see both of those. All right. So can you see my,
uh, can you see my code now? Yes. That’s beautiful code. It is such
good coats. So it’s good. Clean code. Uncle Bob would be happy.
He would be this isn’t that. This is a template that
was auto-generated. So it’s
definitely my best work, that’s for sure. All right, so now
I’m going to look at this. So I’m, I’m on sharing right now, huh? And I’m just, I’m going to
fumble around here a little bit. I don’t even know how I can give you
control. I don’t know that you can, are you sure that’s a roll? Here
I go, remote control really. And I’m going to give mouse and keyboard
control really to Michael Vanderpool, zoom.us. Dot. AB would like to control this computer
using that serviceability features. And I’m going to say
open system preferences. I’m going to have to go through
and actually let you do that. Um, allow the apps below to control
your computer. I have, um, zoom and yeah, I can’t see that.
If you’ve got something that I, I um, this is the, my end.
So this is something Mike, that we’re going to have to put in the,
uh, can you do a screenshot of it? Yes, I can. Yeah. This remote control thing will
be phenomenal if are basically, what is it on a Mac? It opens up the security
and privacy features. Okay. So then you got to go ahead and put
your password in and then say allow Intelijay and Xu to control
your computer. Okay. So I’m going to go ahead and
I got to check both of them. Okay. And then I’ll go ahead and, Oh, lock this up and I think we’re good. Let me get outta here. I mean I
can give you control again. Okay. That could be phenomenal
for our it department. Who’s going to try to help people with
remote things on their computer so you should have control. Um, see if you can change the 1.8 to say 1.9. I can’t, I can’t, I’m typing on my keyboard now, right.
I can’t put a curse for anywhere. Okay. All right, let’s try
it again here. Come up here. I’m going to say remote control given
mouse and keyboard control to Mike Vanderpool. Click the click to start the mouse
keyboard control the shared screen. Oh, controlling me man. Well,
and how do I zoom in on this? Because that’s what I’m going to have
to do to be able to see your screen a little bit better. That is a
good question. I control plus. No. Can you control plus or how
would you zoom in on [inaudible]? Um, I would just use my, uh, do you
have a, you can just use your mouse. Did that help do that? [inaudible] Oh yeah,
that got bigger for me. So you can just pinch in.
You can use your mouse app on your own. Okay. Wild. All right. So I can see this good
enough. So yeah, I can come in here. I can put my cursor a
1.8. I can change the two. Wow. This is beautiful, right? So
it’s actually, yeah, you can use this. Yeah. So hold on a second. So let
me do this. We’re going to get, we’re going to see if we can break
this right. That’s what we do. Uh, I have remote control. So you’re
gonna have to give up remote control. Now with intelligence and other ideas
like that. Are they cloud-based? We’re rude. We have to use get hub to push and pull
and merge conflict nonsense or what? You know what I’m saying? Like
for us to be able to, um, yeah, you’re going to have to, cause
that’s just, I mean, any remote, any kind of remote teamwork,
which is a skill that you want. Oh, look at that. Under view
options. Sorry. Uh, yeah, I can go to original size and I
can come in here and, Oh wow. Yeah. This is pretty nice dude. View
options. What do you, uh, uh, w so I’m gonna I’ll, I’ll give you access.
So I’m going to stop sharing. Okay. And I’ll share my screen. So this is, uh, well that’s not what I wanted to share. Here we go. Yes. Screen over. So yeah. So here we go. I’m just
gonna do a new file. Why does that keep putting that up? Share screen screen one share. That is so wild. Can you just share PS code? I mean you could just share an app or
you can share a screen or a window. Can you see that now? I can’t.
So brackets untitled. Okay. Yeah. All right. So
that’s what I’m sharing. Okay. So I have view options
here. Yeah. So under view options, that’s where you can zoom in and do
some stuff. Oh nice. Okay. I like that. So now why don’t you do me a
favor. Use you, share your screen. I remember cause we were supposed
to be all share two. Yep. Now did you give me a remote control?
Uh, probably not. How do I do that? Um, go up to the, in the, in the top, um, where you have your whole menu, like um, hover over the thing that says
your remote control suite. Yep. Just hit remote control and then
yup. You should be good start. So I can do this. I should
be able to come here. Yeah. And I didn’t have to do anything man. I didn’t have to do anything with
permissions. Great. Where is it? Is it great? I don’t know. You’re not, your machine is probably not as locked
down as mine was, right? Yes. All right. So let me try to share my screen.
We’ll see if we can break it. Of course. I don’t know. I don’t think I can share my screen
while I’m controlling your screen though. Okay. So let me go ahead and, um, Mike and how do I stop doing? How do I stop controlling
you? I, I may have to stop. There you go. I aborted the
control. Here you go. Yeah. Cause you can’t click your own mouth,
your own screen. I don’t think. Not when I’m controlling. So
you’re done. So you’re sharing. Let me share a different screen of
mine. I’m going to share intelligence. So this would be an example where we
could put our code side by side, right? Yup. And look at this bad boy. All right. So now what does this look like on you? I just shared my screen for nine years. Hold on. Oh, what is going on here? [inaudible] can you see my screen?
No, I can. Oh, hold on. Well that’s wild. Uh, no
I cannot see your screen. Gotcha. But it is showing
that you’re screen-sharing. Stop. Yeah. It’s showing that
you’re sharing, but it’s not, and I don’t know because I
have dual monitors set up.
It could be a little wild. Yeah, that’s what I’m wondering too.
Oh, hold on here. So stop share. All right. So let’s do this real
quick. I’m gonna stop my share. All right. I can see yours. Can
I try something real quick? Yeah, hold on. I can find it. Okay. So viewed your screed, you options. This is one of the things, um, and
I, can you see this when I do this? I see nothing. Okay. Cause
I am annotating your screen. Oh no. Yeah, I can see the green. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yup. I can see that. Okay. This is cool. So when somebody shares, so there’s a couple of
different things here, right? So as if you’re trying to
help me navigate, right? Yup. The annotate thing is pretty cool, right?
Because you can just say, Hey listen, go over here and click offer, right?
Yup. Wait here and do this. Right. So you can really help
somebody step through things or you can take pictures to take a picture
of that soap in the same bar there. Saved JPEG. Save that. Cause
when this recording gets saved, I want to see if it were those things
go cause right when when you save a recorded it, it gives you the audio
file, a video file and also the chat. I’m assuming that the JPEGs
will be jumped in there as well. Dumped in there as well. Instead it saved it so we’ll see where
it saved too. We’ll see. All right, cool. Yeah, but I can’t see your
screen at all. I stopped sharing. Okay. So I’m going to stop
sharing now you share yours again. We’ll try this one more time. I want to see if we can get these multiple
shares down because if I’m a third party in here and can see the code
and the whiteboard at the same time, that’s going to be pretty cool. Yep. All right. So this is
what I’m sharing. Oh, hold on. I understand what happened. Okay. I
got moved over to a different desktop. Mmm. So you go ahead and share
yours. Let’s see what happens. So now I’m sharing my
screen and I don’t get any, I still see a black screen from yours. But again it could be
cause I’m a double desktop. Okay. So you can’t see, you can’t see. No. When I, I could see years before
when I stopped sharing, I can see yours. Yup. Yeah. That’s wild. Yeah. It’s interesting. We’ll have to,
we’ll have to see about that. Maybe the zoom people can save
us. Yeah. Interesting. No, but I think the annotation thing, I mean
that’s huge cause, right? Like where, where when I’m talking to you, where
am I pointing? Where am I looking? Exactly. Right. You can annotate
without, without screen control. And then with screen
roll we can, you know, and you know another thing right,
where we could do a little, like you could do a little code review
of somebody’s code for the entire class. Yeah. Right. You know, if you wanted to step through some code
and it was on somebody else’s machine. What I usually do with my code reviews
from HTML and CSS class is I have a printer, I have a paper copy of
their code that I’m marking up. I give them a copy of that and a copy
for myself and then that’s what they go fix. Like with the annotation
thing, I can do that right there. As long as I have a stylist or something
good to write with exactly what you, I wonder you probably even type on that. I would imagine that’s probably
got that functionality. Share your screen again. Yeah cause even I can annotate
my own screen. Yeah. Text. Oh yeah. Annotate. Yup. Yeah. You got um, clear text, mouse draw stamp.
You can even do arrows. Right, right. Yeah. Oh nice. And then saves showing folder bills
and that actually is going to go, yup. That’ll be in the
same exact folder. Um, uh, that, um, your audio and
video files go after the fact. Cool. Wait, this is, this is very,
this is pretty sophisticated. Yeah. I mean, so we were talking about using Google
Hangouts versus this and I mean, this just seems like it
blows a lot of things away. Uh, I’m going to agree
with you. Um, yeah, that’s, I mean, I think this is a, I think this is a nice solution and
we were looking for one, you know, this is something cognizant was
asking for for one of the, um, one of the training classes we’re going
to do that’s going to be completely online for that. How do we do paired
programming? And you know, again, this isn’t perfect, but, um, I, I
think it’s going to be pretty good. So to at least get the gist of
how you do pair programming. So, yeah. Well I think what would be cool
for paired programming, let’s say, so you’re going to have to have some
type of a white boarding tool for remote, right? And we’ve looked at sketch and a
bunch of sketch IO or there’s a bunch of differences that we played with them
for, right Google draw even. Um, you know what you could make people
do and let me, uh, stop sharing, which you could do is in the chat. Ask them to post the links and then those
things would actually be in the zoom session. So like you could
honestly, as a faculty member, you guys are going to pair program for
25 minutes or 45 minutes and then you’re going to upload that whole
thing to whatever the links
would all be there in the text file. Cause when we save this, right, all the chat gets saved in
a text file. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is pretty cool. I, I think maybe tomorrow we can, I mean I think we need to do a little
bit more research on the breakout rooms, but then see how, how they
play into this, you know, the kind of this bigger thing.
But I think that this is a, this is a very powerful tool
to be able to do some pretty, I think engaging learning online. And yeah, again, like you said, I think that the, I think the key to, um, you know,
making this work, especially for, you know, learners that are used to this is
giving them some good ground rules. You know, Hey, would you want it,
what do you want to do this, you know, you know, these kinds of questions or
email these kind of questions or the chat, you know, whatever. And I think that
we probably need to come up with, like right now, I couldn’t tell you. I mean maybe just use chat on this and
you don’t use Slack because the chat recorded. I’m thinking that in the, in the lecture discussion event
itself, you just use the group chat. Yep. This is what we’re going to
use for synchronous conversations. Yes. Assume asynchronous stuff
we’ll deal with in Slack. Another big tip, um, is, you know,
you and I a good with technology. We were able to do this. Um, but people who aren’t as comfortable
with the technology, what I’ve done, even for myself, cause you miss things. I have a computer set
up in my room with a TV. So that’s the host computer.
So the moderator of the, I’ve got a moderator for the, for the lecture that sits there and can
see who’s raising hands and deal with questions, let people in. If it’s a
closed room, all that other stuff. All I have to do is be able to talk. Yep. So I’m just going to do the stuff
I’m used to doing as a faculty grant. It’s going to be a little bit different.
But by having a moderator in the room, you’ve removed all those extra
barriers for me to actually do my job. Yup. I think so. And that’s,
you know, with the, uh, with the model that we’ve used, right. Avid elite instructor had kind
of a TA or whatever. Um, yeah. I think what we do is we, we
change the role of the TA, but let the faculty person,
you know, look the faculty, be the faculty. If you’re going to be the, if you’re going to be the
person presenting the new
material and leading the discussion, then that’s just what
you do because, sorry, go ahead. Well I was just going to say that
the TA, I mean really is, is, is playing that same role,
right? Wandering through
the class mate, you know, watching hands, you know, making sure things are kind of smoothed
out but now it’s in a virtual setting rather than actually walking down
the rows in the, in the classroom and it’s Hey my audio doesn’t
work. Okay, great. My, the teachers didn’t have to stop
it. The TA can go have a, you know, individual conversation in
the chat with that person. There are things I just thought of, right. We can actually then centralize all of
our hosting for these things upstairs in our it department and then the faculty
don’t you have to about recording, storing, doing anything
on their own machines. They’re just going to jump in like
another participant. Right, right. Like this is like my whole thing is
like we have to with the time crunch and everything else, the inability. I
don’t have time to train people, we just have to remove every single
barrier for a faculty to engage with students right now. Right,
right. Yeah. That might be what, well, and, and I, and so I think
that, I think it’ll be really useful. And this gets back into what we talked
about at the beginning where you have kind of the, the maximized set up
in the minimized set up. Right. So I think that, you
know, for a, you know, for an institution, right, a school,
whatever, it’s a K-12 school, it’s a community college, you
know, a department at a university, whatever that is, ideally, right.
You get their it people on board, you hosted one place, like you
said, faculty just in its legs, you just teach, right? Yeah.
TA’s do some, you know, do what they do, but in a virtual manner. But then the it department is taken care
of, you know, the rest of the stuff. Yeah. But if you’re kind of that, you
know, you’re kind of out on an Island, you’re just kind of a load person,
you don’t have that kind of support, you know, whatever. I think we
could also say if you, you know, if you’re a little bit tech savvy, here’s,
if you just have the biddable setup, it is just you and you need to get in
touch with your, with your students, here’s what you can do minimally
with it, with a Yeti, Mike, an internet connection and an extra
month. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just in case they don’t have an it
department that can help them out. Right? Yup. Yeah. That’s the other thing that we’re
getting with trying to put some of our programs online from to you. They’re all worried about production
value and this and that and the other thing. And online I’m like, listen, you
need a, you know, you need a webcam. Not even that good one. It’s nice if
you have some lighting but whatever. And it’d be nice if you had a
Yeti mic and some headphones, but right now I’m using,
I’m just using the, my Mac book pro stuff
and you know, you can, you can make effective learning with
fairly low, you know, production value, right. It doesn’t have to be produced.
Right. I mean it has to be produced, but it doesn’t have to be
high production values. Nobody cares about [inaudible]. And
in all honesty, HD makes it less, uh, accessible, right? I mean
I can produce it in four K, but the guy sit in the middle of
cornfield turned access. This, that, that, that’s a barrier for him cause
that’s way too much bandwidth. So I actually had a student this morning
and this is, this is huge, right? We don’t realize now
with everybody home RNs, internet connections just got infinitely
worse cause brother and sister are going to be doing homework and Amazon
and Netflix and everything else. Um, yeah. So, so just this, so I’m using the webcam,
um, on my computer, my Mac or my PC, this was $120 microphone. These are $150 headphones.
Um, don’t need this. This helps. Um, but in all honesty, like some of the stuff I shot this weekend
was just done with my phone with no microphone to show people like really
just make sure you’ve got the phone someplace static and steady and get
close enough and be mindful of the surroundings where you’re shooting.
Right. So it’s not too crazy loud and you, you can make things happen. I think
that’s, that’s the big thing, right? We just the with what
I’m designing right now, and again this is different than what
we’re talking about with programming cause you really, I mean you could write an
application with this, but most people, most sane people aren’t going to do that. But at least for accessing
the content, right. This could be my second screen sitting
right here going through a video of you coding and me this computer in
front of me coding along with you. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. So
yeah, I think we’re good Shane. So I think we need a phone holder that
will actually like put your phone on the top. You can’t see what I’m doing here.
Can you know, cause it’s on the web. I’m doing it on the computer that has
the webcam on it. It’s been a long day. But like that would hold your phone on
top of your computer as like a second screen. Second monitor. Yeah. Yeah. I might three D print some of those
tomorrow. Yeah, that’s a good idea. So anyway, I think the other thing, you know, some
other things that we can kind of, uh, we can talk about and
you know, this, you know, we can talk about some of this
stuff on offline, but you know, talk a little bit about transcription
services. I know that you, uh, you have, uh, a service that you’re
kind of using, um, you know, what that looks like and you know,
again, for accessibility, um, you know, talk about, you know, again, maybe we
should get some, you know, I’ll get my, I’ll get my laptop set up with
my Yeti and that kind of stuff. I’ll snap some pics of like what my
minimal setup is versus your max. We’ll set up, we can kind of
put together some, you know, here’s the range of setup you
can use. Here’s, uh, you know, once we kind of figure out these
breakout rooms with, with zoo, I think we can start to put together at
least some ideas on, Hey, you know, use, you can use these protocols for
these situations in your classes. Um, and depending on what you’re trying
to teach, you know, obviously I’m, you know, I’m kind of stuck in the, in
the coding realm, but, you know, and, and also the design realm,
just cause I hang out with you, but I mean there’s an applicable,
you know, situations for, you know, whatever history, math, whatever
it might be. Right, right, right. Uh, to get people involved
and then, um, you know, give them gifts, some cheat sheets and just kind of
give a little survive a little bit of a survival kit. Right. I mean, cause,
you know, honestly, right? If you, if you have a mic and a, and you’ve
got your laptop, you gotta, you know, if your laptop has a decent webcam and
you got an extra monitor year, you’re, you’re good to go. Julio. You don’t even, you don’t
even need a webcam. I mean we’re, we’re a society that’s still ingesting
pure audio content with audio books and podcasts. Like this whole camera thing. Don’t let that be the limiter right now. Screen-sharing. Yes. If you’re pointing something out
or have a PowerPoint or a prison, a presentation that you’re going to show, but your face does not have
to actually be on the screen. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah, just
audio. Audio is enough for sure. Yeah. Cool. All right man. Well I’m going to hop off because I’m
going to start driving home cause it’s been a long day. Um, that’s a good, uh, I don’t know if you want to try to
do regular scheduled stuff here, but we can talk about that. This
week’s going to be crazy for me. I got a 3000 things I’m
trying to settle out, but, uh, I think at the end of the
day, what we just did with, with zoom and some of the stuff that we
figured out just playing with it will help some people. So that’s
what we’re trying to do. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed.
Sorry man. All right, so, um, go ahead and it stopped. And
then I got a couple [inaudible] hold on a second.

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